<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	
	>
<channel>
	<title>
	Comments on: The Naming System of the World of The Last Stormlord	</title>
	<atom:link href="https://glendalarke.com/2009/08/naming-system-of-world-of-last/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>https://glendalarke.com/2009/08/naming-system-of-world-of-last/</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:31:08 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>
	hourly	</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>
	1	</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.2</generator>
	<item>
		<title>
		By: Glenda Larke		</title>
		<link>https://glendalarke.com/2009/08/naming-system-of-world-of-last/#comment-20667</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenda Larke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-20667</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[I also love the subtle in-jokes or puzzles.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also love the subtle in-jokes or puzzles.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: walkingbush		</title>
		<link>https://glendalarke.com/2009/08/naming-system-of-world-of-last/#comment-20666</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[walkingbush]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-20666</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[There is nothing worse than a fantasy map where you can tell exactly where you are going to end up. I always fill in the landscape so that there is a much greater sense of discovery. 

There are not many names on this map (compare it to The Mirage Makers). Some sources for The Quatern names come from Australian historical mining terms, and minerals and gemstones. I always like to include a few jokes and hidden meanings (Arthropleurida is an extinct order of giant millipede-like arthropods that flourished during the Carboniferous).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing worse than a fantasy map where you can tell exactly where you are going to end up. I always fill in the landscape so that there is a much greater sense of discovery. </p>
<p>There are not many names on this map (compare it to The Mirage Makers). Some sources for The Quatern names come from Australian historical mining terms, and minerals and gemstones. I always like to include a few jokes and hidden meanings (Arthropleurida is an extinct order of giant millipede-like arthropods that flourished during the Carboniferous).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Satima Flavell		</title>
		<link>https://glendalarke.com/2009/08/naming-system-of-world-of-last/#comment-20665</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Satima Flavell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-20665</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[Ooh - must find that one!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh &#8211; must find that one!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: glenda larke		</title>
		<link>https://glendalarke.com/2009/08/naming-system-of-world-of-last/#comment-20664</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[glenda larke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-20664</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[Jo - fantasy and sf readers generally are quite a few notches more savvy than the average reader! And some are intensely interested in analysing a made-up world. Naming has never been by strong point (ask Satima!) so I have made a real effort with this book to convey the background to the world of the Quartern through its naming.

I actually love the way some sff readers are so picky - keeps me on my toes. 

I must admit that the use of a foreign tongue can be immensely annoying. The book that I have read lately that did this with superb results was the historical novel &#034;Sea of Poppies&#034; by A.Ghosh. He used a smattering of different Asian dialects and European dialects that should have been incomprehensible. And yet - you could get the sense from the other clues. It was brilliant. Even more brilliant when you realise that if you understand French, or Malay as I do, or Urdu or whatever Indian dialect(as my Indian friends told me), you actually got more still out of it. 

Wonderful book.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jo &#8211; fantasy and sf readers generally are quite a few notches more savvy than the average reader! And some are intensely interested in analysing a made-up world. Naming has never been by strong point (ask Satima!) so I have made a real effort with this book to convey the background to the world of the Quartern through its naming.</p>
<p>I actually love the way some sff readers are so picky &#8211; keeps me on my toes. </p>
<p>I must admit that the use of a foreign tongue can be immensely annoying. The book that I have read lately that did this with superb results was the historical novel &quot;Sea of Poppies&quot; by A.Ghosh. He used a smattering of different Asian dialects and European dialects that should have been incomprehensible. And yet &#8211; you could get the sense from the other clues. It was brilliant. Even more brilliant when you realise that if you understand French, or Malay as I do, or Urdu or whatever Indian dialect(as my Indian friends told me), you actually got more still out of it. </p>
<p>Wonderful book.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: glenda larke		</title>
		<link>https://glendalarke.com/2009/08/naming-system-of-world-of-last/#comment-20663</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[glenda larke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-20663</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s interesting, Ross. So the English went back to the Dutch alternative rather than use the spelling they had in front of them. I suppose I should not be surprised - the English really didn&#039;t care too much about spelling until relatively recently. In fact, people often spelled their own surname in different ways at different times!

Satima - I guess the problem really comes from trying to say something without the reader having a background to interpret it. So the writer has to hint, using this world to say something about a world that doesn&#039;t really exist.

Put it this way. If a writer is penning an historical novel set in the Batavia of 1800, the writer can have characters named Hussein, M&#039;bale, Gunter, Ludwig, Jean-Paul, Dimitri, Hans, Soemoto and Jonathan without raising an eyebrow. Every would just assume, rightly, that at that time in history some people were very mobile and that Batavia was the centre of South-east Asian commerce and trade where sailors and entrepreneurs would come from all over the world.

If I want to convey the same feeling of cosmopolitan commerce in a fantasy world that is patently not Earth, can I use the same names without arousing the ire of readers? Probably not, unless I also mention Slavic, African, Arabic-type etc etc cultures as existing - a waste of words if they don&#039;t in anyway impinge on the story. If my land is X and I make up different sounding names to those of X inhabitants, then the impact might be lost because of the unfamiliarity of the made-up names, especially if there are many different cultures arriving in X, each with their different language.

In The Last Stormlord, I try to be subtle about what I am trying to convey, (which is not a bustling cosmopolitan hub, btw!) without upsetting readers by in-your-face anomolies. As I said, many readers won&#039;t care and won&#039;t notice, which is fine, but for those who want to know a little more, the clues are there.

You&#039;ll have to tell me if I succeed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s interesting, Ross. So the English went back to the Dutch alternative rather than use the spelling they had in front of them. I suppose I should not be surprised &#8211; the English really didn&#39;t care too much about spelling until relatively recently. In fact, people often spelled their own surname in different ways at different times!</p>
<p>Satima &#8211; I guess the problem really comes from trying to say something without the reader having a background to interpret it. So the writer has to hint, using this world to say something about a world that doesn&#39;t really exist.</p>
<p>Put it this way. If a writer is penning an historical novel set in the Batavia of 1800, the writer can have characters named Hussein, M&#39;bale, Gunter, Ludwig, Jean-Paul, Dimitri, Hans, Soemoto and Jonathan without raising an eyebrow. Every would just assume, rightly, that at that time in history some people were very mobile and that Batavia was the centre of South-east Asian commerce and trade where sailors and entrepreneurs would come from all over the world.</p>
<p>If I want to convey the same feeling of cosmopolitan commerce in a fantasy world that is patently not Earth, can I use the same names without arousing the ire of readers? Probably not, unless I also mention Slavic, African, Arabic-type etc etc cultures as existing &#8211; a waste of words if they don&#39;t in anyway impinge on the story. If my land is X and I make up different sounding names to those of X inhabitants, then the impact might be lost because of the unfamiliarity of the made-up names, especially if there are many different cultures arriving in X, each with their different language.</p>
<p>In The Last Stormlord, I try to be subtle about what I am trying to convey, (which is not a bustling cosmopolitan hub, btw!) without upsetting readers by in-your-face anomolies. As I said, many readers won&#39;t care and won&#39;t notice, which is fine, but for those who want to know a little more, the clues are there.</p>
<p>You&#39;ll have to tell me if I succeed.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Jo		</title>
		<link>https://glendalarke.com/2009/08/naming-system-of-world-of-last/#comment-20662</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-20662</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[As a reader, its not something that has ever concerned me. I do find some authors use pretty difficult names, I am not worried about where they originated but how they are pronounced. Do people really read fantasy books and concern themselves about such things. What really gets my goat is overuse of invented (or borrowed) language in a book so that you have to continuously skid to a stop to look at it all. One author, who&#039;s story was great, littered her books with large chunks of languages which really spoilt the continuity of the story.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a reader, its not something that has ever concerned me. I do find some authors use pretty difficult names, I am not worried about where they originated but how they are pronounced. Do people really read fantasy books and concern themselves about such things. What really gets my goat is overuse of invented (or borrowed) language in a book so that you have to continuously skid to a stop to look at it all. One author, who&#39;s story was great, littered her books with large chunks of languages which really spoilt the continuity of the story.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Kendall		</title>
		<link>https://glendalarke.com/2009/08/naming-system-of-world-of-last/#comment-20661</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kendall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-20661</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[Glenda: Oh, right!  ;-)  Makes sense then.  Cool!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenda: Oh, right!  😉  Makes sense then.  Cool!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Satima Flavell		</title>
		<link>https://glendalarke.com/2009/08/naming-system-of-world-of-last/#comment-20660</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Satima Flavell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-20660</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[I think the degree of purity required in naming systems should depend on the degree of technology present in the world. If the known world stops five thousand miles away and there have been few invasions within that known world, the languages - and hence the nomenclature in regard to people and places - will be more clearly defined. If we look at Britain at the time of the Viking invasions, forex, we can see Scandanavian place names and given names starting to crop up. But if we go back a hundred years, most of them will be of Roman or Anglo-Saxon origin, with at least some Celtic and Pictish names in the north and west. As long as the author has a clear idea of the history of the area and can justify to herself the use of any particular name, there shouldn&#039;t be a problem for the reader. But an iron age community with a mixture of names would be pretty incredible, especially if those names were obviously based in languages that didn&#039;t even exist at that time! As with any world-building, consistency is probably the important thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the degree of purity required in naming systems should depend on the degree of technology present in the world. If the known world stops five thousand miles away and there have been few invasions within that known world, the languages &#8211; and hence the nomenclature in regard to people and places &#8211; will be more clearly defined. If we look at Britain at the time of the Viking invasions, forex, we can see Scandanavian place names and given names starting to crop up. But if we go back a hundred years, most of them will be of Roman or Anglo-Saxon origin, with at least some Celtic and Pictish names in the north and west. As long as the author has a clear idea of the history of the area and can justify to herself the use of any particular name, there shouldn&#39;t be a problem for the reader. But an iron age community with a mixture of names would be pretty incredible, especially if those names were obviously based in languages that didn&#39;t even exist at that time! As with any world-building, consistency is probably the important thing.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: three monkeys		</title>
		<link>https://glendalarke.com/2009/08/naming-system-of-world-of-last/#comment-20659</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[three monkeys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-20659</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[&#062; Why - on Earth - did Nova Zeelandia not become New Zeeland?

The Dutch province of Zeeland has an alternative spelling of Zealand - both appear to be commonly used within the Netherlands.  It probably depends on what part of the Netherlands you are from.  It appears therefore that, when it became anglicised from the Dutch it was the alternate spelling that was used.  

Ross]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Why &#8211; on Earth &#8211; did Nova Zeelandia not become New Zeeland?</p>
<p>The Dutch province of Zeeland has an alternative spelling of Zealand &#8211; both appear to be commonly used within the Netherlands.  It probably depends on what part of the Netherlands you are from.  It appears therefore that, when it became anglicised from the Dutch it was the alternate spelling that was used.  </p>
<p>Ross</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Glenda Larke		</title>
		<link>https://glendalarke.com/2009/08/naming-system-of-world-of-last/#comment-20658</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenda Larke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 18:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-20658</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[The mapmaker is my niece, so she knows where I am going with this. I gave her all the names that are mentioned in the book(s), but told her there were many more places than that. 

She gave some of these additional places names to make the map look more authentic. Of course I vetted them! I don&#039;t think I vetoed any, actually. They were good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mapmaker is my niece, so she knows where I am going with this. I gave her all the names that are mentioned in the book(s), but told her there were many more places than that. </p>
<p>She gave some of these additional places names to make the map look more authentic. Of course I vetted them! I don&#39;t think I vetoed any, actually. They were good.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
	</channel>
</rss>
