(This interview was included as a 'DVD extra' in the Orbit UK edition of Song of the Shiver Barrens)
Can you tell us a bit about your background? How did you get into writing fantasy?I grew up on a small farm in Western
Australia. Playmates were few and far between, which is probably why
I developed both an excessively inventive imagination and a love of
all things outdoors. As a child, I read everything I could lay my hands
on, including old National Geographics, and for as long as I can remember
I wanted to write and to travel. I was writing fully fledged stories
by the time I was eight, and as soon as I was old enough to work in
my school holidays, I was saving money to travel.
I've been writing and travelling ever
since. As well as Australia, I have lived in North Africa, continental
Europe and Asia—both on the mainland and the island of Borneo. My
first published works were non-fiction travel articles!
You were a teacher for
many years. How do you think that affects your approach to storytelling?
Well, I was telling tales long before
I was a teacher. I seem to remember enthralling my classmates back in
the playground of a country elementary school on a regular basis by
reading my stories to them. Perhaps the teaching that helped me most
as a writer was when I taught English as a foreign language (in Malaysia,
Austria and Tunisia) and gained a depth of understanding about the structure
of my own language as a result.
A bit of a logistical
question, but just how do you find the time to write with another career
and family to visit all around the world?
I can—and do—write anywhere.
Without that ability, I would never be able to submit a book on time
to meet a deadline.
I now work as an environmentalist, not
a teacher, and much of my work takes me into the field. I have read
first proofs in a tent in the middle of the rainforest. I have dealt
with copy edits while sweltering by a roadside waiting for transport.
I have plugged my computer into the wall in airports, coffee shops and
waiting rooms, or I've hooked it up to generators in muddy logging
huts or rainforest research camps. I've used my laptop as long as
the battery would last on buses and beaches and coral atolls, in peat
swamps and on fishing boats chugging through mangrove inlets. I've
typed while perched on gunny sacks full of coffee beans on a wharf,
or on tree stumps and fallen logs in the forest, or crammed into an
airplane seat for a twelve hour international flight. I've written
by candlelight, lamplight, moonlight, torchlight, firelight, streetlights,
and even headlights (waiting to be rescued from a bogged car in the
middle of nowhere.) The most challenging of all, though, is to find
time to write while looking after a three-year-old grandson…
How much of an influence
has being a conservationist and studying the natural world been on your
writing and your world building? Do you often draw inspiration from
your experiences or does it make it much harder to create something
new and different?
An understanding of the natural world
includes seeing how everything fits together, the larger picture. A
logging operation means more exposed soil upstream. Run-off means the
river is brown with mud. How does a riverine kingfisher see the fish
it must catch to live? It's all about connections. What happens in
a neighbouring country can affect what happens to the birds in your
own.
World building is like that. You don't
create just a house and a street. You are creating a world, and
it is all interconnected. You can't have your pre-industrial townsfolk
eating fresh tuna if your town is miles from the ocean. Your musician
needs strings for his lute (what are they made of?), your swordsman
won't be an expert if he never practises. In a desert, no one burns
firewood in their fireplaces. Of course, you don't put everything
you know about your world into your book! But you have to know it and
understand how it all fits together. Only if you do, will your reader
feel that when he has opened the page, he has stepped into another real
place.
Because I have lived as a local within
a number of different societies, I know more than the average traveller
about what goes into making a culture. That gives me an edge, I feel,
in creating the people and the social rules they live by within their
imaginary world.
It's interesting to
see how you create your worlds; do you have a method of managing them?
Do you lay out the world and story-arc before you start writing or is
it more of an organic process?
The story-arc begins first and the world
develops alongside it.
I start by doing a great deal of thinking.
My favourite time for this is while driving or doing housework. I rarely
write much of this down, because I end up knowing my world—the part
I am writing about anyway—just as well as I know this one. I know
without looking it up in my notes that the fishing boats of my invented
land put out to sea in the morning and return to port before nightfall,
just as I know, without doing a Google search, that our refrigerated
boats here on Earth don't have to do that.
I like to have the larger picture in
place before I begin—the politics, the commerce, the religion, the
landscape, the climate. Much of the detail, however, is only conceived
while I am writing the story. I try to integrate these details as the
story unfolds (rather than throw them in huge chunks at the reader),
much the same way we learn the details of our new surroundings when
we move to another country. I'm an expert on the real thing—I've
lived on four different continents!
I do start with a map, though. It may,
however, be altered to suit the story as I write. If a river is in the
way of characters on a journey, I will re-route the whole valley!
The story-arc remains flexible until
I write the last word, but when I start on the first chapter I must
have a clear idea of the beginning, the end and the highlights—the
key scenes. The rest is a bit fuzzy, like looking through a fog which
won't clear until I get there.
Can you tell us a bit
about where the idea for The Mirage Makers came from?
As a young mother, I was horrified by
two real life stories emerging from two countries. One was an Australian
tragedy of almost incomprehensible hubris, where many Aboriginal children
were forcibly removed from their parents, supposedly for the benefit
of the children. They were often raised with no knowledge of their own
culture or families, sometimes even taught to denigrate their heritage.
The second story was the tragedy of the "Disappeared Ones" of Argentina.
During this time, pregnant women caught up in the political brutality
had their babies taken away at birth, to be raised by the families of
their captors, while they themselves were murdered.
These events moved me. How terrible it
must have been not only to lose your child, but to know they would be
raised by people with different values, possibly values you despised.
A little later we moved to Vienna, Austria.
One evening, I watched a TV historical drama (in Italian, which I don't
speak) sub-titled in German (which I can read, but too slowly to keep
up with sub-titling). It was about an Imperial investigator being sent
by Rome to Jerusalem to find out why people believed that a man had
survived his crucifixion a year or two earlier. The investigator scorns
the story as pure fantasy… About then, it became too complicated
for me to follow, but it didn't matter. My own imagination was already
hard at work.
All those things came together to form
the basis of the plot for Heart of the Mirage. I didn't do
anything about it at the time because I was writing The Isles of
Glory, but a year or two later my husband transferred to Tunisia,
and I could see the ruins of Roman Carthage from my study window and
we had the base of a Roman pillar in our rose garden. When southerly
winds blew, Saharan dust piled up at my front door, desert on the move…
That was when I had to start writing
the Mirage Makers trilogy.
Ligea is such a strong
and interesting female character and it was wonderful to see how she
grew over the trilogy. Do you have any favourites among your characters?
Part of me loves all my characters, even
the villains. I do like Ligea, not because she's a lovely person -
she's definitely not that—but because I feel for her. She's
a woman who would probably have been kind and loving and nurturing,
if she had not been raised to kill ruthlessly in the service of her
Emperor and her manipulative mentor. She's the child removed from
her culture and her family, to be raised by her enemies to despise both.
She does not have much of a chance, yet she manages to rise above her
beginnings and develop as a human being. She can never entirely leave
her past behind, but in the end, she does her best.
The character whose life history tore
me up most when I was chronicling it, however, was Arrant. So
many awful things happened to him, none of which he deserved, and sometimes
I almost wept as I wrote about them. It was heartbreaking.
Some authors talk of
their characters 'surprising' them by their actions; is this something
that has happened to you?
Characters can certainly be remarkably
stubborn if I ask them to do or say something out of character. They
just veer off and do it their way. Sometimes I have to remind them that
people can do the unexpected; mostly I give in to them. They should
know best, after all.
One of the major themes
of The Mirage Makers is the choice between upbringing and birthright.
It's something you obviously feel strongly about as a writer - is it
also the sort of theme you enjoy coming across in books as a reader?
Yes. I love writers who look at large
or universal problems within the microcosm of a character. It makes
themes and theoretical concepts more personal, more understandable,
less black and white. One can read an essay on "Nature versus Nurture"—or read about a fictional character like Ligea facing exactly that
problem in her personal history. The abstract suddenly becomes much
more immediate and real, even though she is fictional.
What do you think of
the packaging given to your books? Do you have any strong feelings on
cover art?
I love the Orbit covers! I think both
the design department and the talented Larry Rostant, the artist, have
done a superb job of echoing the elements of the story.
As I write this, I haven't yet seen
the cover for Song of the Shiver Barrens, but with the Heart
of the Mirage cover there's the strangeness of the cracked pinkish
sky, the importance of the translucent sword, the mysterious, shadowy
people watching, waiting… are they real? Or just a mirage? And on
The Shadow of Tyr cover, don't you just love the way the spear
and the Imperial symbol seem to dominate, promising war and retribution? —but then look again, and you see that the feathers on one side of
the wings appear to be broken. Perhaps Tyr has a weakness, a sickness?
It sends shivers down my spine. Masterful.
I must admit, I have little understanding
of what cover art can do to sell—or not sell—a book, but I think
both readers and authors feel short-changed when a cover portrays something
that is not in the book or gives an incorrect emphasis to what the story
is about. A dragon on the cover should mean there's a dragon in the
story!
In the past, I think the cover of mine
which mystified me the most is one for a book in translation that appears
portrays the flight deck and crew of a space ship, when the book is
about a world of sailing ships and magical mayhem in an archipelago!
Although you live in
Malaysia, many people still consider you an Australian author. Do you
have strong ties to the Australian writing community?
I am still an Australian, that will never
change. Whenever I can, I go to Australian science fiction and fantasy
conventions, and of course the internet makes friendships with my fellow
writers so much easier. I've met or corresponded with most of the
Australian published fantasy novel writers, at least those who write
for adults; some, such as Karen Miller, Trudi Canavan and Jenny Fallon
- and Russell Kirkpatrick from New Zealand - I count as good friends.
We have acted as first readers for one another, I have a place to stay
when I visit their cities, they have a place in Malaysia, and yes, we
are availing ourselves of one another's hospitality! The Australian
scene is large enough to be interesting and vibrant, yet small enough
to be intimate and familiar, and I value my contact with wonderful writers,
as well as with my Australian editors and publishers and fans.
What's coming after
The Mirage Makers? Where do you see yourself going next?
I am working on The Random Rain Cycle—set in a world where control of water is both power and wealth,
where battles are fought over water, where sand dunes articulate and
move, where rain depends on the manipulation of not weather,
but water magic, where painting on water can chain you to a future you
do not want. It's also a powerful love story. I love this one.
And, lastly, for those
writers who have yet to see their books appearing in the shops, how
did it feel to see your first novel in print?
Disbelief was uppermost, I think! There
were a good many years between the day I found an agent and the day
my first book was sold, and I was ready to admit defeat several times.
But my wonderful agent had faith in my writing and never gave
up, so neither could I. When the first copy of my first book arrived
in the mail I think I was as delighted for her as much I was for myself.